[SoLiDUS]

Originally Posted by Coleman

...you're not supposed to have a pistol in your hand as you walk down the street unless you're a police officer or something.

Nice logic. When you get cornered, raped and beaten, tell me the same thing you fucking dolt: it's not about having a firearm in your hands and brandishing it as your please, it's about having the option to defend yourself when the need arises and no other conceivable alternative exists.

Go ahead and call 911... I'd rather have the ability to protect myself.

[SoLiDUS]

[quote="Short Hand":a1685]Look, OUR GUN LAWS up until now have worked just fine. SO I see no need to change anything. AND to be honest, Who needs to carry a pistol on them ? You do realize that most Canadians can't conceive such a thing .. I mean if someone had a pistol in theri hand walking downtown Orangeville, or Brampton everyone would brake into a panic and start running or look and stare, its not part of our identity or our culture, so why make them any more readily availible.[/quote:a1685]

Our "gun laws" obviously don't fucking work: today is proof enough... or do you need further bloodshed in conjunction with data from conceal carry states to be convinced that we're on the wrong track?

Who needs to carry? Anyone who chooses to do so and correctly decides to take protection of self in his own hands. I won't trust others to be there when I need them: as such, I prefer putting the odds on my side by having the most efficient deterrent and means of defending myself when all other options have been exhausted.

By the way... CONCEAL CARRY means exactly that: you don't know WHO has WHAT: that's why the goddamn thing is such a powerful deterrent. Honestly, do you ever stop to think for even a moment?

[Simo Häyhä]

I'd rather trust my life to a concealed weapon than a fucking phone call.

[Short Hand]

No, you just have a hard on for guns. No one else in Canada except for a few nutty bags like you are so pushy when it comes to laxing weapon laws.

[SoLiDUS]

See, this is exactly why we're never going to progress: people still demonize firearms because they don't understand them. Until you learn about them and understand they're no more dangerous than any other power tool in responsible hands, we'll be stuck in similar situations. What a pussy generation... I can't even imagine the kind of politicians we're going to have in a few years...

[SoLiDUS]

[quote="Simo Häyhä":c5d6f]I'd rather trust my life to a concealed weapon than a fucking phone call.[/quote:c5d6f]

Uh, yeah... exactly. Nothing else to add, really.

[Hawke]

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

Nice logic. When you get cornered, raped and beaten, tell me the same thing you fucking dolt: it's not about having a firearm in your hands and brandishing it as your please, it's about having the option to defend yourself when the need arises and no other conceivable alternative exists.

Go ahead and call 911... I'd rather have the ability to protect myself.

lol....not sure if you are directing that to coleman but his comment wasnt dirrect towards you, it was directed towards shorthands.

[SoLiDUS]

... in which case I re-direct my comment to Short. I have no problem with people who understand the need to change the popular perception of firearms and the importance of personal responsibility in regards to self-defense along with the proper means of achieving that goal.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Hawke

lol....not sure if you are directing that to coleman but his comment wasnt dirrect towards you, it was directed towards shorthands.

[SoLiDUS]

I'll reiterate because it's important.

... in which case I re-direct my comment to Short. I have no problem with people who understand the need to change the popular perception of firearms and the importance of personal responsibility in regards to self-defense along with the proper means of achieving that goal.

[Doctor Duffy]

Should go in Current Events thread

[Tripper]

What happens when there are 5 times as many guns in houses, and burgulars who target houses where people aren't home steal their guns? Then there are more criminals on the loose with guns.

Its not as onesided as you seem to think it is, Solidus....theres definitely no need to call someone a "fucking dolt," just because they're one of the many people that disagree with you.

Using this incident as more reason for concealed weapons is ridiculous....Its clearly a one-off school shooting for Canada - THAT is why I was suprised to hear about it....and I realise people are retarded, that's why I think its stupid to put more guns out there available for these retarded people to get their hands on.

...and I've said this before and I'll say it again - There is no comparison to a gun. No power tool, no sword, no car, no breadknife is comparable to an object where you can stand a hundred feet away and simply squeeze your finger to kill someone. Its pretty damn easy to kill someone with a gun. Easier than anything.

More guns out there, and conceal carry laws, will give more chance of people making horrible mistakes at the cost of lives.

Your friend approaches you and jokingly suprises you from behind, you pull your gun out in instinct and pop him twice in the sternum.

...and don't say in a situation like that, whether its a real danger or not, that you're definitely gonna have the chance to evaluate the situation before you, pull out your gun, take it off safety, and pop the guy. Chances are he'll come up and smack you on the head with a pole in suprise. If he thinks theres any chance your carrying (under a conceal-carry law, then everyone would be suspect to a mugger) then he's DEFINITELY gonna suprise you.

You shouldnt need to carry a gun around with you everywhere just because theres a CHANCE you might get attacked in the street - Unless you live in some fucking ghetto where there is a huge chance you'll get fucked on your way home.
We don't walk around with crash helmets on just in case a car jumps a curb and knocks us down - Which is alot more likely than getting savagely beaten, without being suprised in the first place.

IMO, The paranoia you demonstrate is reason enough to NOT give you a conceal carry option.

[strvs]

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[TGB!]

[quote:9f6d5]Nice logic. When you get cornered, raped and beaten, tell me the same thing you fucking dolt.[/quote:9f6d5]

One, a "dolt" is probably the last term Id use to describe Coleman. Leader of an Arab sleeper cell; sure. Hand with explosives; quite possibly. Terrorist - oh you betcha. But "dolt" - hardly.

Two, who says a gun is the best mitigating factor for direct aggression against your particular person? There arent other methods an individual can use to protect themselves? The best answer is "lets arm everyone"? Because now you've gone from advising people they have the ability to purchase firearms, to "hey lets arm everyone, and hope noone - who we dont want to be victims - decides to have a fit of lovers rage or any other irrational emotion that causes them to start shooting the citizenry".

Do people have the right to protect themselves. Of course. But I'm not about to start advocating that people do so by dialing it all the way up to EXTREME. Im NOT for gun control by the way, because its a right and by god dont tread on me. . .but to suggest mass armament, and a culture of fear based on whos carrying what - no thanks.

[Milla]

I agree with TGB. I believe the rest of this country and Canada need to take on Virginias gun control laws.