[Judas]

i overheard that theyre trying to blame this one on video games.

[SoLiDUS]

Don't worry, they have scapegoats and feel-good solutions well planned and when we're all disarmed, it'll be UK/Australia all over again. Then, when shit keeps happening, we'll try banning a few extra things like "evil knives" and once people realize these kinds of things don't stop, we'll be too far gone to roll back. You just don't fuckin' get it...

I'm not extreme, and I'm not asking for everyone to have CCW: I'm just saying that we should have the freedom to choose this method of self-defense because it's worked extremely well elsewhere, so why not here ? People need to get familiar with firearms because they don't have a mind of their own, nor do they just go off at random for no fucking reason: they're just engineered metal designed to propel smaller pieces of metal... your demonizations just slow our progress down.

When they ban everything from law-abiding citizens and we're still at the mercy of events like this, don't say I didn't tell you so. We've tried one side of the gun control coin; isn't it time we try the other?

[SoLiDUS]

Originally Posted by Judas

i overheard that theyre trying to blame this one on video games.

He was a vampirefreak poster with serious issues... check out his journal/pictures. They're going through his stuff now to make a psychological profile.

That's how things like this will stop: not by banning guns, but by proactively seeking out and treating mental illness, high-stress and high-risk individuals. Education is key, not prohibition and taboos.

[Sgt>Stackem]

wow, a gun control debate and I havent chimed in. Go figure?

It is sad that that man did what he did and it will effect alot of people for the rest of thier lives. I hope the wounded recover.





back to the debate

[Art Attack]

where can you find this guys profile

[Zoner]

Looks like this assfuck shot himself after getting winged in the arm by police. Cowardly fuck. I hope he's enjoying the barbed wire-wrapped pole being shoved up the eye of his cock by demons in the 8th ring of hell.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Zoner

Looks like this assfuck shot himself after getting winged in the arm by police. Cowardly fuck. I hope he's enjoying the barbed wire-wrapped pole being shoved up the eye of his cock by demons in the 8th ring of hell.

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[Zoner]

rock:

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

Don't worry, they have scapegoats and feel-good solutions well planned and when we're all disarmed, it'll be UK/Australia all over again.

I think I missed something....What's wrong with UK/Australia? Their crime-rate isn't particularly bad.

[TonyMontana]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_3542.aspx


His Blog: http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_3554.aspx

fucked

[Pyro]

Well...when im out on my own...even though I always do feel safe cuz well...no one does anything here...but shit does happen.

Id be perfectly fine with having a concealed handgun. You'll be dead by the time 911 comes.

And this comes from the guy who is anti-gun...I'm just in the mood that if ya can't beat em join em cuz well...it's better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

[SoLiDUS]

Originally Posted by Tripper

I think I missed something....What's wrong with UK/Australia? Their crime-rate isn't particularly bad.

Look for a reference called "Gun Facts": it's a collection of statistics and figures for various countries and US states. Unanimously, states and countries with less gun control have reduced crime rates while places like the UK and Australia have suffered from increased crime rates (especially violent crime) since introducing restrictive legislation or just banning firearms outright... it's all over the board.

Firearms ownership is a powerful deterrent against home invasions, home burglaries, assaults, rape, et cetera. Problem is, politicians and anti-gun lobbies want you thinking otherwise.

[Jonsey_]

Know someone who goes to the college, they said they heard gunshots and the teacher made them go against the wall till safe then he said he just ran from his school home which is a solid hour run, said he wanted nothin to do with media or anything was just scared shitless.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS

Look for a reference called "Gun Facts": it's a collection of statistics and figures for various countries and US states. Unanimously, states and countries with less gun control have reduced crime rates while places like the UK and Australia have suffered from increased crime rates (especially violent crime) since introducing restrictive legislation or just banning firearms outright... it's all over the board.

Firearms ownership is a powerful deterrent against home invasions, home burglaries, assaults, rape, et cetera. Problem is, politicians and anti-gun lobbies want you thinking otherwise.

Those statistics could be attributed to anything...As an example, a rise in immigration from poorer countries could increase the crime rate...Seems more like a coincidence that pro-gun groups have latched onto, in order to make their point.
Personally, I don't have a problem with gun laws, nor a little less gun control, but when it comes to your calls for concealed-weapon allowances, its about as ridiculous as your black and white opinion on the whole issue.

I think you see yourself as a good example of someone who could handle themselves under new gun laws, but believe me, not everyone else out there is as capable of controlling their own emotions. People go postal, people sometimes can't control their emotions, and people OFTEN make mistakes....Having more guns out there, readily available make it easy to excacerbate situations like these.
Your ideas for this totally relaxed uncontrolled gun society aren't functional because of the downfalls in natural human nature.

[SoLiDUS]

No, the situation doesn't have to be as you describe regarding looser laws and concealed carry. I posted the following on canadiangunnutz, I hope you'll enjoy it:

#1

The difference between police/guards and citizens regarding firearms is that the former have to undergo psychological evaluations (in college and during the recruitment process in the case of police) prior to being given their duty weapon... citizens take a two-day class.

I was never comfortable with the process of obtaining firearms because specific knowledge and physical safety aside, no personal character and psychological evaluations are done to ensure that BillyBob in front of you is actually of sane disposition or has the cognitive ability to understand the totality of his actions.

I can't see flames coming my way for this, but I'll wear the fireproof suit anyway.

#2

I don't expect the public to support it unless our government eases them into it: I would hope that given our stricter application process, they would allow currently prohibited firearms and devices along with possibly offering the option of concealed carry.

Make no mistake: I'm all for simple and logical firearm laws... but for qualified people. As it stands, almost anyone can acquire the license and it's bad news because many shouldn't: an acquaintance of mine could easily pass the exams and trust me, he's the last person you want manipulating a firearm (and not necessarily because of unsafe practices).

I hope you understand what I'm trying to convey.