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Default 09-15-2006, 07:21 PM

I will chime in as an english guy lookin in here. The way I see it is the general public (here in the UK anyway) shouldnt need to carry a weapon
cos the need shouldnt be there. By saying that I mean we should be adequatly protected not only by laws but by the law enforcement ppl who are there to protect us.

saying that I do think a lot of crime would go down in this country if the police were armed as atm it seems to go this way:

Guy goes into bank with gun to rob it
a shit load of cops turn up and "talk" him out
he gets a few years in prison
gets out and reoffends

I think if the actually thought the might get shot or get a stiffer penalty in jail then a lot of ppl would think twice.

Just a thought after readin thru some of the posts and not intended to be a definitve answer
  
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Default 09-15-2006, 10:03 PM

[quote="Scorpion -]M15F1T[-":3a9d0]... The way I see it is the general public (here in the UK anyway) shouldnt need to carry a weapon cos the need shouldnt be there. By saying that I mean we should be adequatly protected not only by laws but by the law enforcement ppl who are there to protect us....[/quote:3a9d0]

Scorp, the problem is that we don't live in a perfect world. You can't have a policeman following you around 24 hours a day. The "law" only stops law-abiding citizens, not thugs and nut cases. I have a .45 that I keep for protection. I have it because the police can't instantly appear at my house if someone breaks in. I have it because I'm getting old and I probably can't whip a 20 year old's butt like I used to. God made men, Sam Colt made them equal.

But I also keep it just because I enjoy target shooting. It has nothing to do with protection and everything to do with a fun afternoon shooting targets with my daughter.
  
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Default 09-15-2006, 10:24 PM

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...you're not supposed to have a pistol in your hand as you walk down the street unless you're a police officer or something.
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Default 09-16-2006, 10:46 AM

the fact of the matter is, almost none of the gun crimes are commited by law abiding citizens who legally purchased their fire arms for their own use. the vast majority of gun crimes here in the states are commited by criminals using stolen or black market weapons. by taking away law abiding american citizens right to own weapons you are doing nothing but empowering the criminals. an old saying says it best, "guns don't kill people....dangerous minorities do".
  
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Default 09-16-2006, 08:08 PM

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the fact of the matter is, almost none of the gun crimes are commited by law abiding citizens who legally purchased their fire arms for their own use. the vast majority of gun crimes here in the states are commited by criminals using stolen or black market weapons. by taking away law abiding american citizens right to own weapons you are doing nothing but empowering the criminals. an old saying says it best, "guns don't kill people....dangerous minorities do".
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Default 09-16-2006, 09:49 PM

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"guns don't kill people....dangerous minorities do".
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Default 09-16-2006, 10:20 PM

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the fact of the matter is, almost none of the gun crimes are commited by law abiding citizens who legally purchased their fire arms for their own use. the vast majority of gun crimes here in the states are commited by criminals using stolen or black market weapons. by taking away law abiding american citizens right to own weapons you are doing nothing but empowering the criminals. an old saying says it best, "guns don't kill people....dangerous minorities do".
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Yeah lol....

Where do you think they steal half of the guns from anyways? I don't think anyones saying you shouldn't be allowed to arm yourself....I think most people are saying the laws are currently fine the way they are and you shouldnt need to encourage more people to own guns to make a point.

I'd agree with that, because if everyone has a gun in their home, think about how easy it would be for bad people to get their hands on one....They wouldn't need black market connections, they'd just need to monitor a family home for a day or so, and go rob them when they're out.
  
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Default 09-17-2006, 02:10 AM

anyone else here drunk? im going to bed im so gone tonight. i wreak of cigarettes and booze. sleeping:


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Default 09-17-2006, 10:07 PM

40 Reasons to support gun control:

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, and Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Arlington, VA's high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994, are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense — give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns and Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for spinal paralysis, a computer programmer for Y2K problems, and Sarah Brady [or Sheena Duncan, Adele Kirsten, Peter Storey, etc.] for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1791, refers to the National Guard, which was created by an act of Congress in 1903.

13. The National Guard, funded by the federal government, occupying property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a state militia.

14. These phrases," right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumeration's herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people," all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

15. We don't need guns against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, but we should ban and seize all guns, thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense, which is why the army has millions of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they serve no military purpose, and private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles," because they are military weapons.

18. The ready availability of guns today, with waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, et cetera, is responsible for recent school shootings,compared to the lack of school shootings in the 40's, 50's and 60's, which resulted from the availability of guns at hardware stores, surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, mail order, et cetera.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, and the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. A self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of online pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston as president of the NRA is a shill who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers, who qualify with their duty weapons once or twice a year, have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people, which is why the police need them but "civilians" do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. When Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands," they don't mean you. Really.
  
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Default 09-18-2006, 05:05 PM

i have a concealed bat
  
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Default 09-18-2006, 05:17 PM

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i have a concealed bat
Those things can be quite deadly when used correctly.

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Default 09-18-2006, 06:00 PM

http://www.a-human-right.com/

Choose Liability and take the poll if you're against firearms ownership or feel that severely restricting available types would somehow benefit us. Once you're done, peruse the documents on the other side... chances are you will see the light.
  
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