[HaVoc]

[quote=Tripper][quote=HaVoc][quote=Tripper][quote=HaVoc]

Originally Posted by "anti":ac83f

umm...
wolf parade
death from above 1979
arcade fire
fiest
metric
do make say think
broken social scene
a silver mt. zion
wintersleep

canada is leading the world in indie music right now, so how can you say that?

I can make a bigger list than you! But what's the point? It's not like he's gonna look them up. Mostly because he doesn't care.[/quote:ac83f]

I doubt it, you're the guy who actually believed that all rap was gangster rap, and wrote the entire genre off because of that. I hardly believe youre going to have more eclectic taste than anti.[/quote:ac83f]

You’re right. After all I believe that music should require musical instruments in order to be classified as music. Oh silly of me! But obviously it’s the intellectually stimulating lyrics which I am missing out on. After all how, does she fit that fine ass into those tight jeans?[/quote:ac83f]

....and there it is, its pretty hard to be that ignorant about music - but you do a pretty damn good job - Fucking tosser... rolleyes:[/quote:ac83f]

The only that has changed about rap music in the past 25 years of it’s existence is the fashion. The genre is bland at best. How can you embrace something which is nothing more than profanity laced poetry? The best lyricist in rap music couldn’t hold a candle to Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, Elliott Smith or even Joe Strummer and David Byrne.

[anti]

havoc oOo:

[HaVoc]

Originally Posted by anti

havoc oOo:

Whatever. You know that I'm right. Supporting a movement which is destroying music and youth culture is fucking stupid. There is no other way to put it. Rap music encourages sexism, divides race and glorifies capitalism. Not to mention requires about a 1/4 of the talent of any decent rock band. (An MC and a DJ) For every half decent rapper/group there are 50 better bands.

[jujumantb]

Originally Posted by HaVoc

The best lyricist in rap music couldn’t hold a candle to Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, Elliott Smith or even Joe Strummer and David Byrne.

easily. but on the other hand, the highest mountains on this great earth cant hold a candle to your ignorance of rap.

thats like me saying 'rock is pathetic' then quoting some britney spears song...
you would say "britney spears isnt rock"... but it is, its popular rock as started more or less by the beatles. now i would never characterize a genre based on what i hear on the radio or mtv, but you go ahead and knock yourself out. its just a pity you are missing out on a great genre.

also, many of the rap artists i listen to use a live band in their albums and almost all of them use a live band while touring.

[jujumantb]

Originally Posted by HaVoc

Supporting a movement which is destroying music and youth culture is fucking stupid. There is no other way to put it. Rap music encourages sexism, divides race and glorifies capitalism. Not to mention requires about a 1/4 of the talent of any decent rock band. (An MC and a DJ) For every half decent rapper/group there are 50 better bands.

i agree to a point about pop-rap, but thats pop-rap, we all hate that shit. its the indie-rock(indie-rap) scene that holds most of the good artists, or atleast the artists which would change your mind about characterizing all rap like you do.

[HaVoc]

Ok. But really why would I have any desire to look up indie rap, when 95% of all rap which I am exposed to sucks?

[jujumantb]

Originally Posted by HaVoc

Ok. But really why would I have any desire to look up indie rap, when 95% of all rap which I am exposed to sucks?

you have to realize its really a whole different genre. the beats are more musical, the content is not about hoes and cars and money, its really just like any rock you'd like, but in a slightly different musical shell and structure.

[HaVoc]

Ok so a friend linked me to this guy. He's great but I don't though. Is that really rap?

http://www.myspace.com/spearheadvibrations

[jujumantb]

Originally Posted by HaVoc

Ok so a friend linked me to this guy. He's great but I don't though. Is that really rap?

http://www.myspace.com/spearheadvibrations

alot of styles in there, never heard of him before but there is definitely hiphop influence

[Pyro]

to say K-OS is total shit is as ignorant as what i said about canadian music

Exit is the best album of 2003...period.

Indie rap > indie rock

btw.

Brother Ali's new album owns...the latest album ive hard anyways from an underground artist.

[HaVoc]

He sounds like Eminem mixed with old Black Eyed Peas.... sleeping:

But Neon Bible is easily the best CD so far this year.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Pyro

to say K-OS is total shit is as ignorant as what i said about canadian music

Exit is the best album of 2003...period.

No its not, thats not at all as ignorant. Exit is so not the best album - Fuck off, Gang Starr's The Ownerz ALONE is a better album, there are also a slew of other superior 2003 rap cuts.

Havoc - How can you say you're a fan of music when you refuse to engage with it? I can tell you after years and years of enlightening "rock fans" to the beauty of alternative hiphop, that youre probably the most hairbrained out of all of them, not to mention the quickest to show how niave you are.

I seem to remember when you asked me to put a list of ten rap artists that use live instruments - I did, and you acknowledged the post - So why are you now back with that tired old argument that has already been thrown in your face on these forums?
Do you like to be proved wrong or did a rapper kill your family or something? Whats with the prejudice.

If you're a true music fan, and not just someone that likes music - Then you'll go ahead and smack yourself in the head now for being so narrow-minded.

Open your head up, and turn off MTV - Not all music is on TV, none of the 1,000s upon 1,000s of credible rap acts arent either, and that is because the commercial music industry markets to stupid fuckers who only buy nickelback, and chamillionaire albums. These are for the most absolute general audience with no taste, because they have a larger appeal than more definitive music that is found in the alternative or underground world.

Would you like me to write up a list of rap acts that refuse to conform to what your idea of the genre is? Prepare to do alot of scrolling though, because the list will be huge.

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by HaVoc

He sounds like Eminem mixed with old Black Eyed Peas.... sleeping:

But Neon Bible is easily the best CD so far this year.

Jesus christ dont take music advice from PYRO of all people - Have you read his posts?

[jujumantb]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Brother Ali's new album owns...the latest album ive hard anyways from an underground artist.

didnt know you knew him, saw him in concert on 4/20 here in madison. and once in minneapolis (and he fucked up 'room with a view' haha).
buy the album though, the liner notes are great. on one song, he says his wife calls him 'big dick daddy' and murs writes "thats a bit TMI for me, i never want to know one of my friends is ever refered to as 'big dick daddy' "
biggrin:

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by jujumantb

didnt know you knew him, saw him in concert on 4/20 here in madison. and once in minneapolis (and he fucked up 'room with a view' haha).
buy the album though, the liner notes are great. on one song, he says his wife calls him 'big dick daddy' and murs writes "thats a bit TMI for me, i never want to know one of my friends is ever refered to as 'big dick daddy' "
biggrin:

I know alot in the end...though im sure ive missed some along the way...But it's hard when you have some faggot named tripper coming around thinking all i listen too is DJ Unk and Chingy.

Im going to see Brother Ali when i go to rock the bells in new york in july...

i hear he displays a lot of energy when he is performing live.