[Johnj]

A response to Wilko:

1) The police had been observing the man as he left a block of flats and rode a bus to the tube station. Why didn't they move in while in the low density areas instead of waiting till he got close to a tube station?

2) Why would I expect a British crook to be any smarter that an American, Canadian, or Assie crook?

3) Would you stand there and let someone rob you? You don't know that the cop said anything, let alone that he was a cop. Then again the dead guy is a Brazilian, perhaps he didn't speak English so good.

4) Again your making a mistake to assume the policeman identified himself in such a way to be understood.

Don't you find it ironic that all the other arrests of suspects have ended peacefully. These are supposed to be wild-eyed extremist terrorists, mad-dog killers that won't be taken alive.

[Mr.Buttocks]

[quote="newt.":f68ba]the guy ran from police, jumped turnstyle(spelling?), and bolted towards a train, fuck man those stupid pussy hippy fucks complain about everything. I'm glad they shot him, I hope they do it again, they got the fucker before he reached the train, this is good news.[/quote:f68ba]

Have you been drinking?

Originally Posted by Wilko

Think about this logically. You are a London Policeman. Your Country has been attacked recently by Terrorists, specifically the Tube Stations. You see a guy, who is foreign in appearance (by Foreign, i mean not Anglo), acting suspiciously inside a Tube Station. You also notice he has wires and assorted shit hanging out of his rucksack.

Menezes wasn't carrying a rucksack, or bag, or anything like that. Nor were there any "wires" or "assorted shit" anywhere on his person. Also, contrary to initial reports, he wasn't wearing a heavy padded jacket.



Some other thoughts....

1) Even though the mainstream media continuously pumped out disinformation about him being here illegally immediately after the event took place, [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/26/nshot26.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/07/26/ixportaltop.html:f68ba]things aren't as clear cut as some people would like you to believe.[/url:f68ba] The whole "if this 'Jonny Foreigner' wasn't here illegally he would still be alive today" argument is nothing more than a smoke and mirrors trick. The authorities, and their media whore lackeys, are pandering to the inherent xenophobia that exists within a large chunk of the British population, to divert their attention away from the fact that someone shot and killed an innocent man.

2) Menezes' family [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4722861.stm:f68ba]claim[/url:f68ba] that he used his travel card that morning, if true -- and I have no reason to doubt them -- here endeth the whole "he jumped the barrier" tale.



Request: If anyone knows, or finds out in the near future, the name of the company he was working for, would you please PM the info to me - thanks!

[Sirus]

Originally Posted by Akuma

But they caught him, pinned him down and shot him in the head 5 times... That's an execution, not stopping a terrorist. If they shot him in the head while he was running to stop him then the situation might be different.

Shoot to stop = shit happens
stop then execute = fucked up

I agree, 5 times in the head when he was pinned down for fuck sakes annoy:

[KTOG]

Its not justifiable but I can understand whats going on through their head. The terrorists killed many of these mens loved ones and I know if someone killed my mom, dad, realitive, i would not be able to control my rage.

[Poseidon]

Originally Posted by Johnj

If the police had been doing their jobs, they would have known who the terrorist suspects were and who the innocents were.

I didnt realise police are now mindreaders.

Originally Posted by Johnj

In England private ownership of guns is illegal, and uniformed policeman don't carry guns. Suddenly a plain clothes guy starts waving a gun around yelling "STOP you bugger!"

I'm pretty sure the non-uniformed police officers would have IDENTIFIED themselves as police as they approached the suspect. Not as you said "stop you bugger" What police officer in their right mind would say that when approaching a fucking suicide bomb suspect??

Originally Posted by Akuma

Shoot to stop = shit happens
stop then execute = fucked up

this is only a presumption of what was going through the police's minds: I can see why they shot him as he was pinned - as the article said if the person was wearing a bomb they could reach for some sort of detenator button and kill everyone in the area. Thats what i believe is the reason they shot him (although 5 times is abit extreme)

[newt.]

okay akuma, say he was a terrorist... the police stopped him started to search him then he blew up, then everyone is dead, happy now?

if people are going to blame anyone, blame the terrorists for forcing us to take such extreme measures to ensure the safety of the public.

1 time....twice what the fuck does it matter, its in the head. oOo:

[dr nein]

That's just asking for a Pyro post.

[Akuma]

[quote="newt.":76d84]okay akuma, say he was a terrorist... the police stopped him started to search him then he blew up, then everyone is dead, happy now?

if people are going to blame anyone, blame the terrorists for forcing us to take such extreme measures to ensure the safety of the public.

1 time....twice what the fuck does it matter, its in the head. oOo:[/quote:76d84]
so shoot him in the arms and put him in handcuffs..

[dr nein]

Dead people can't file lawsuits.

[newt.]

[quote=Akuma]

Originally Posted by "newt.":c815a

okay akuma, say he was a terrorist... the police stopped him started to search him then he blew up, then everyone is dead, happy now?

if people are going to blame anyone, blame the terrorists for forcing us to take such extreme measures to ensure the safety of the public.

1 time....twice what the fuck does it matter, its in the head. oOo:

so shoot him in the arms and put him in handcuffs..[/quote:c815a]

ok dude now thats just stupid. first there are arteries in the arm. second if a policeman did do that all you hippies would be whining about police brutality. third a person still might have the ability to push/sqeeze/bite down, on a detonator.

the more strain people put on the police agencies of the world, the more likely an officer faced with this kind of situation might have second thoughts about the use of deadly force, and the moment he took to make his decision might be your last.

[Mr.Buttocks]

Originally Posted by Poseidon

I'm pretty sure the non-uniformed police officers would have IDENTIFIED themselves as police as they approached the suspect. Not as you said "stop you bugger" What police officer in their right mind would say that when approaching a fucking suicide bomb suspect??

You would think, [url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1715340,00.html:739ae]but......[/url:739ae]


Also, I've yet to see/hear an eyewitness report that states that the people that killed Menezes identified themselves.

[Johnj]

I stand corrected, They didn't even say "STOP you bugger".

[6z-8-z=4(z+10)]

if i had a bunch of people tackling me in plain clothes i would fight back too
now if they had uniforms i would freeze

[Nyck]

well wtf if the cunt ran from the cops he deserved to get capped

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by Akuma

But they caught him, pinned him down and shot him in the head 5 times... That's an execution, not stopping a terrorist. If they shot him in the head while he was running to stop him then the situation might be different.

Shoot to stop = shit happens
stop then execute = fucked up