[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

there is nothing you can do to prevent a terrorist attack.

The administration has foiled numerous attacks so far.

Originally Posted by Coleman

The administration has foiled numerous attacks so far.

Agreed, the CIA and many other intelligence agencies around the world have operatives working and foiing loads of terrorist plots.

[newt.]

Originally Posted by Chappy

what does it matter? we're there, now lets lift up the men and women who are being shot at, and make sure that their efforts do not go unnoticed. right or wrong...the armchair generals and quasi-political experts need to shut their mouths.

[Madmartagen]

[quote="newt.":ca8d4]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

thats retarded, terrorists didnt appear in iraq until the coalition invaded. if we wanted to make a stand we should have flooded afghanistan and pakistan with troops instead of entering the wrong country. who says the US has a handle on terrorism. there is nothing you can do to prevent a terrorist attack. anyone could make any kind of attack anywhere and at anytime. what message have we sent to radical islam that wasnt said before? osama hasnt been caught and there hasnt been any justice for what happened on 9/11. we just wasted a shit load of money and lost over a thousand troops. GG us.

by eliminating radicals who teach their kids to become bombers we save alot of people. you make it sound like terrorism didn't appear till the americans had "landed" oOo:[/quote:ca8d4]

I specifically said that terrorists didnt appear in iraq until the coalition arrived, which is true dont you think? there werent suicide bombings and beheadings before we got there. for every radical you eliminate, it just adds fuel to the fire. the entire war on terror is almost avoiding the issue. can anyone here remember why terrorists attack the west? they (terrorists) have repeatedly stated over and over again why they attack us.

Originally Posted by Acideyez

Agreed, the CIA and many other intelligence agencies around the world have operatives working and foiing loads of terrorist plots.

just because the CIA busted a few people doesnt mean they are making any significant gains in this war. despite the handful of busts, there are terrorist attacks in iraq every single week.

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

just because the CIA busted a few people doesnt mean they are making any significant gains in this war. despite the handful of busts, there are terrorist attacks in iraq every single week.

no doubt. It does make a HUGE difference when they break up plans that are supposed to happen in NYC or DC to the American public.

[Himmler]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

just because the CIA busted a few people doesnt mean they are making any significant gains in this war. despite the handful of busts, there are terrorist attacks in iraq every single week.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051007/ap_ ... /bush_iraq

i believe those foiled are a little bit more elaborate then the car bombings that take place

[Madmartagen]

of course its a big deal over here because we dont give a shit about the 200+ iraqis who get blown to bits in some city over there. 10 plots is good, but its not going to change the course of events imo. the way to win would be to kill osama bin laden and then change our foreign policy to deflect international hatred towards us. what good is foiling 10 plots if they still plan to strike? there isnt going to be some final event that determines the end of this war. there is no end in sight. we need to re-think our policies and interests internationally.

[Himmler]

Originally Posted by Madmartagen

of course its a big deal over here because we dont give a shit about the 200+ iraqis who get blown to bits in some city over there. 10 plots is good, but its not going to change the course of events imo. the way to win would be to kill osama bin laden and then change our foreign policy to deflect international hatred towards us. what good is foiling 10 plots if they still plan to strike? there isnt going to be some final event that determines the end of this war. there is no end in sight. we need to re-think our policies and interests internationally.

imo there isnt much we can do, but to just keep fighting and doing our best to capture the leaders of all the terrorist organizations, and most importantly osama bin laden.

the war on terrorism will continue i believe for a long time to come.

[Madmartagen]

thats just it, we arent doing our best and i think that under this administration, the real objective will never been completed. if osama is in afghanistan or pakistan then we should take our troops there instead of iraq. this whole business about taking the long course and doing the best we can until we catch him is just another way for the administration to drag out its policies and to reward contracts to contributors. this business of just accepting a prolonged campaign is just giving up on what could be a focused mission to get vengeance for 9/11. this war in iraq is a distraction from all the shit bush is doing at home and to instill some false sense of american pride and patriotism when there really shouldnt be that much. its been so long since 9/11 and so many other innocents have died, there is hardly any reason to justify our aggression anymore. the 9/11 dead is just a fraction of the total casualty list. i dont see how anyone can honestly say that we are making any real progress in the war on terror, and i dont see how we can just accept a long and ongoing war without any real plan for victory.

[Tripper]

Mad, I couldn't agree more with what you've said....People need to look at the situation realistically now.

[Arkan]

Originally Posted by Coleman

Saddam was a fucking psycho.
"although the weapons stockpiles were destroyed, Saddam’s government was looking to begin a WMD program again."

The UN gave him all the time he wanted. He didn't follow the UN orders. So what happened? Nothing. The UN is a joke. That's why the US had to do something before he could really hurt more people.

After reading the 2nd post of this thread, i stopped. Cole couldn't have said it better. No matter what, there will be people opposed to the war as well as people for it. The government hides alot of shit from John Q public so who really knows whats behind the scenes.

[Pyro]

Hell, if those are reasons...I can see countries thinking USA is deserving of an attack.

We have always been against this type of shit until the USA does it :|

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Hell, if those are reasons...I can see countries thinking USA is deserving of an attack.

We have always been against this type of shit until the USA does it :|

we don't have nut cases running our country (don't even say it pyro). We give billions of dollars away in aid every year to good causes, unlike the aid some of those Middle Easterners give away to their good causes (terrorism).

[Sgt>Stackem]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Hell, if those are reasons...I can see countries thinking USA is deserving of an attack.

We have always been against this type of shit until the USA does it :|

can you post some links telling us what UN sanctions we violated? I think alot of countries have forever changes thier relationship with the US because of this. The only true allies we have are Great Britian and Austrailia.

[Pyro]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":f9a9a]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Hell, if those are reasons...I can see countries thinking USA is deserving of an attack.

We have always been against this type of shit until the USA does it :|

can you post some links telling us what UN sanctions we violated? I think alot of countries have forever changes thier relationship with the US because of this. The only true allies we have are Great Britian and Austrailia.[/quote:f9a9a]

It is like being best friends with someone for 20 years...then they go and murder your mother...USA under Bush is undeserving of blind following. Canada is with America whenever they need it, but not when it is for stupid reasons like a war in iraq or vietnam.