[Machette]

[quote="TGB!":24ab2][quote:24ab2]I'll congratulate you on your opening sentence. Because as you basically stated you didn't read the material at hand, proving your post groundless.[/quote:24ab2]

Youll note Mr. Wizard - that my comment had fuck all to do with the content of the article, and everything to do with the movement Ive noticed in certain "intellectual circles".

I'm not going to even bother with your multi-syllalabic cry for "Hey I Be Smart" kudos -

I DONT need to read the article since nothing in the above reply was a rebuke or refutation of anyones findings. I could give two shits if you try to qualify your "credible" source by claiming its right-wing, etc. etc. My comment isnt focused on that. Its focused on the hilarity of the "revised" quote, and the progressive blogsphere jumping on it as a proxy for right-wing-attacks, nevermind that the "revised" translation isnt any better or less inflammatory than the original comment ("Hey they arent saying to wipe anyone of the planet - they just dont want them to exist in history, past, present, or future - TOTALLY different") - hence the analogy which I guess was SO SIMPLE that it didnt even register in your advanced analytical mind.

As for "personal attacks" - when you preface a reply with a backhanded bullshit "Oh I know noone here likes to actually read anything", and follow up with a sloopy "Oh I undersestimated the literacy level of youse dudes" (keep reading that - you'll figure out why that "subtle" insult doesnt work), you basically open yourself up to getting as much as you give.

And finally - youre not as smart as you think you are Machette. Too bad you seem to be the last person to get that. . .[/quote:24ab2]

TGB, thank you for informing me that I'm not that smart..no shit. I didn't know someone on the internet had to tell me that. I can look at my essay grades and see that I'm no genius. Also it's funny that you use my countless reading as a argument that I always imply I am smarter than people. That is false. When I talk to my friends and they visit me I never boast or elevate myself higher than their intelligence. I don't sit in front of my computer with a Michel Foucault pipe and ponder like Nietzsche. I never have or ever will elevate myself. And to say "advanced analytical mind." is again, a myth. You are labelling my something that you wish to view me as and that is wrong. Like I said I know I am no genius or a smarter person than anyone on this board. I read and you use that as a justification that I like to think I'm smart. Keep it up TGB!

Also c312 and Stackem I'll try my best. Cole (Middle East Proffessor at U of Michigan) wrote a email in some round circle of intellects type group. Somebody stole this email and gave it to Hitchens. The email stated how the translation which is widely known as "wipe Israel off the map" may be wrong. Cole who is arabic and knows persian believes that can't be. Because in persian their is no phrase such as "wipe off the map" Now Hitchens ripped his argument apart by listing a source by the NY Times translator in Theran and said something like "this mans persian is just as good as Coles" which is a pretty strange statement because how would Hitchens know about Cole's persian? Cole threatened legal action stating he stole intellectual property etc etc. Now this MEMRI group, which Hitchens holds much trust in - Hitchens quoted some sources before from the group in his articles - published the speech and it was pretty much the same as Coles. This group has also had vast differences with cole in the past. Cole made some claims that it was Israel run group and was totally anti-arab. Now most of you will ask how is "This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history." different from "Wipe Israel off the map" When America said they wanted to end the regime in Iraq did you mean you wanted to kill everybody? No. I know this issue is complex and I missed a bunch of important issues. Most of you will view this as blog o crap material and that's fine. But why would a soon to be Yale prof say this? He may have some ground on this issue. I won't pass this as 100% proof that everything is wrong. Some one can undoubtly find material that Ahmadinejad said earlier about Israel. It's just that this one quote may have been misunderstood, that's all.

[Coleman]

thanks for the summary machette. I think what stakem and c are trying to say is, how isn't the new and "true" translation any different from the older one. It seems to me that the "real" translation contains just as much violence as did the "whiping off the face of the earth" translation. Because of this, I don't see what the big arguement is.

[c312]

exactly, they both imply aggressive intentions...

and there is a difference between Iran's president using the phrase "regime change" and our president using it. The situations are different in obvious ways, so I don't think I need to clarify. Let me know if I do though...
rolleyes:

[Machette]

So when the iranian president says "regime change" he means lets kill every israeli citizen?

[c312]

Perhaps.

[Machette]

Well that's your interpretation. I think he's stating that the "occupying regime" in the territories should be eliminated from the pages of history. A regime is also:
"1. A form of government: a fascist regime.
2. A government in power; administration: suffered under the new regime.
3. A prevailing social system or pattern.
4. The period during which a particular administration or system prevails.
5. A regulated system, as of diet and exercise; a regimen."

[Nyck]

stop playing semantics he wants to blow israelies off the face of the planet

[TGB!]

So, after fucking decades of rhetoric and endorsing suicide attacks against the Israeli Gorvernment, all of a sudden IRAN - one of THEE most fundemental governments in the middle east - has just softened up its tone, and are deserving of the benefit of the doubt in regards to the Prez's statements.

Right.

It must be tough being a Bush Critic and Neo-Progressive, having to side with some incredibly foul people in order to attack the US's current foreign policy.

[Machette]

Softened? More like taken out of context.

[Eight Ace]

Here he is talking to Indonesian students yesterday

[url=http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/rock-star-greeting-for-iran-leaders-nuclear-defiance/2006/05/11/1146940679179.html:1afb7]Article[/url:1afb7]

"The speech lacked the extremes of ones back home - there was no mention of the
US as the great Satan - but he smiled as he promised he would witness Israel's disappearance."

But I'm sure machette will find out he really meant he would put on some
really dark glasses and it would just seem like Israel disappeared or something.... eek:

talk about drawing a long fucking bow.

[Johnj]

Played to a crowd of 300!

ed:

That is in the most populated Muslim country in the world.

[Eight Ace]

Originally Posted by Johnj

Played to a crowd of 300!

ed:

That is in the most populated Muslim country in the world.

yeah, tho the gig had a chillaxed intimate feel...apparently..



[img]http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/wp-content/images/ahmadinejad.jpg[/img]

[Sgt>Stackem]

he is from THE University of Michigan, thats good enough for me


Go Blue!!!!! rock:

[Machette]

[quote="Eight Ace":c42e3]Here he is talking to Indonesian students yesterday

[url=http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/rock-star-greeting-for-iran-leaders-nuclear-defiance/2006/05/11/1146940679179.html:c42e3]Article[/url:c42e3]

"The speech lacked the extremes of ones back home - there was no mention of the
US as the great Satan - but he smiled as he promised he would witness Israel's disappearance."

But I'm sure machette will find out he really meant he would put on some
really dark glasses and it would just seem like Israel disappeared or something.... eek:

talk about drawing a long fucking bow.[/quote:c42e3]

Originally Posted by Machette

Some one can undoubtly find material that Ahmadinejad said earlier about Israel. It's just that this one quote may have been misunderstood, that's all.

Please for the love of god..learn to read.

[Johnj]

[quote="IRAN'S President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad":6e1e5]"Therefore, liberalism and democracy will disappear and the justice of the prophet Muhammad will be revived."[/quote:6e1e5]

This sounds like fun. eek: