[Machette]

Now I won't lie this is a complicated issue and if you want to find out what it's about it requires something most of you lack - the will to read. Christopher Hitchens is no stranger to intellectual fights. His most famous one was when he tried taking on chomsky after 9/11 and he failed, horribly. He eventually left "The Nation" (The magazine which hosted the article battle between chomsky and hitchens) because he was so embarassed..also because his ideology was changing. Hitchens was a renowned Trotskyist, he advocated suicide bombers in Palestine and was for the vietcong in vietnam and is also known for making fun of charlton heston before the first gulf war because he couldn't name 5 surrounding states around Iraq. However 9/11 abruptly changed him and he embraced neo-conservistism. For me he is a skilled writer but lately I have lost faith in him because of his reckless and useless attempts at claiming intellectual superiority.

I won't say much about Juan cole because its pretty self explainitory. He runs a well run blog on Middle East current events and is set to be going to Yale as a Professor of Middle East Studies.

However the issue being debated here is about the mistranslation of the iranian president's claim that "Israel should be wiped off the face of the map" Cole (who speaks Arabic and Persian) believes that the quote is taken out of context and is rather - "This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history."

Now that is the basics..I'd rather not write more because these links basically sum up the issue.

If you post in here saying "bullshit" please be sure you READ the links before you make your claims.

Summary of debate:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-sche ... 20350.html

Hitchens on Cole:
http://www.slate.com/id/2140947/

Cole on Hitchens:
http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchen ... chens.html

What MEMRI says:
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page= ... D=SP101305

Another wrap:
http://www.liberaloasis.com/archives/050706.htm#050906

If any of you have questions..I'll try to answer them.

[Machette]

So no one has objections? Good.

[Coleman]

No offense, but yeah, I don't want to read it. I'm not lazy, I just feel like I have better things to do.

I don't know much about the topic, but from that other translation "erased from history"...what is the guy implying then? Does he want to go into the word documents and use BACKSPACE on Israel? It still seems like he is implying some sort of violence. That's me without reading everything and may not have any legitimacy so....

[Machette]

Yeah I think you better read the article(s)..What you wrote is answered within the articles..Guess I once again under estimated everyones literacy skills on this site. oOo:

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Machette

Yeah I think you better read the article(s)..What you wrote is answered within the articles..Guess I once again under estimated everyones literacy skills on this site. oOo:

literacy isn't the issue. It's more of the willingness to devote hours of my life reading articles so Machette can respond.

[Machette]

What else are you doing of importance? Oh yeah, watching American Idol. ed: eek:

[Sirus]

I agree with coleman

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Machette

What else are you doing of importance? Oh yeah, watching American Idol. ed: eek:

I exercise. I practice my instrument. I work. I go places with friends. I review material for the next semesters. Maybe if I was a poli sci major, it'd be a different story. But I'm not.

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Coleman

I exercise. I practice my instrument. I work. I go places with friends. I review material for the next semesters. Maybe if I was a poli sci major, it'd be a different story. But I'm not.

Alright I can see where this is going and I'd rather it not go there. And sirus do you even know the issue here?

[Simo Häyhä]

[quote:c6b73]He quoted Khomeini that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time[/quote:c6b73]
did the media just reword the presidents speech to make him look like hitler?

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Coleman

No offense, but yeah, I don't want to read it. I'm not lazy, I just feel like I have better things to do.

I don't know much about the topic, but from that other translation "erased from history"...what is the guy implying then? Does he want to go into the word documents and use BACKSPACE on Israel? It still seems like he is implying some sort of violence. That's me without reading everything and may not have any legitimacy so....

Coleman, if you're going to comment on it then actually READ it. If you can't be fucked reading it, how can you be fucked posting about it, especially when you barely even know what it's about.....?

Just have to snap your conservative fingers at anything Machette posts or something? rolleyes:

[Sgt>Stackem]

I read the first link and it just reminded me why a blog isnt news

[Coleman]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Just have to snap your conservative fingers at anything Machette posts or something? rolleyes:

I don't know how saying Isreal should be deleted from history is being "conservative and trying to make machette mad".

[Machette]

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":bc632]I read the first link and it just reminded me why a blog isnt news[/quote:bc632]Or why it's suddenly taking over the news? Give me a fucking break. rolleyes:

Explain to me how he is wrong..don't give me a sentence saying blogs are useless, that just shows me among others on this board you are incapable of making a relative post to the topic at hand. Back your argument up with something.

[Nyck]

I have no will to read so I will die an ignorant man