[Phosphoric]

Yep. I have to admit, one of the problem the world has against America is the fact that America is taking ALL the credits for winning the WWII. Granted, America had done a lot, but not everything. Just my .02C

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[Albow0001]

I just thought it was high time someone printed honour and valour again. The rest of the message was just an excuse . . .lol j/k

[Recycled Spooge]

I have a feeling that most of the people here are from Canada.

[This message has been edited by Recycled Spooge (edited June 22, 2001).]

[Wolfshook]

The reason why Americans take credit for winning WW2, is because without the US, Germany would have won.

Flame me, but I won't change this opinion. Do you have any clue how many vehicles the US gave to the USSR? Tanks? Guns? Money? Hell, the US practically supplied the USSR with everything it needed, when it was at it's lowest point. The USSR survived because of the US's deep pockets. Later on, the USSR's production capablities came on line, and it was their war totally, from about '42 onward, and it's facilities were churning out tanks, vehicles, etc.

The US also helped out France, by giving the Free French vehicles, and aiding them in other ways.

Britain received our help as well.

Just remember the debacle at Dieppe. An invasion by Canadians and British, that failed. With the US, they succeed.

Without the US, Germany would have won, as Britain could never have mustered up the manpower to launch a full scale invasion France (or anywhere else, for that matter), even with it's Commonwealth nations pitching in.

[Gen. Rommel]

I agree without the Americans help WWII would have been won by the Germans. Same if the Aussies hadn't been the war, or if the Brits weren't in the war, or the Russians, or even our BRAVE Canadians. Come on guys...it was a team effort. Nations coming together to fight a common evil. The Nazis. I say Nazis and not Germany because there were many people who were trapped in Germany and were agasint the Nazi and helped in the war.

Another thing I love seeing how proud you guys are...

[Hans]

"The American lend and lease system was introduced in the beginning of the war to support Great Britain in their struggle with Germany. After the German assault on Russia in June 1941, the defenders got aid with this system through war material, food, fuel and other important raw materials.
From 1941 and onwards, the RKKA used extensive numbers of Lend-Lease tanks received from the USA, CANADA and GREAT BRITAIN. Approximately 22.800 AFVs were sent to the Soviet Union between June 22nd of 1941 to 30th of April 1944, and almost 2.000 of these were lost at sea. In addition, the Russians got about 351.700 trucks and 78.000 Jeeps from the USA. With this the Red Army became more movable as mobility increased.
During 1941, 487 Matilda, Valentine and Tetrarch tanks were received from Great Britain, and 182 M3A1 "Stuart", and M3 Lee medium tanks were received from the USA. In 1942, a further 2.487 tanks were received from the UK, and 3.023 tanks from the USA. The first units equipped with Valentines and Matilda IIs fought in the Staraya Russia and Valdai areas in the winter of 1941/42. Usually tank units were allotted a single type of Lend-Lease tanks to simplify logistics. An example was the 38th Tank Brigade which in 1942 had 30 Matilda II tanks, and 16 T-60 light tanks. In 1944 and 1945, the American M4A2 were the highest appreciated Lend/Lease tank, and some tank corps and mechanized corps were entirely equipped with this type. In early 1945 the 1st Guards Mechanized Corps were equipped with Shermans in all of its tank units. The role of Lend/Lease AFVs in the Soviet war effort has been the source of bitter controversy, as some Western statements tell how decisive they were, while Soviet statements generally denigrating it as inconsequential. However, it should not be forgotten that Great Britain sent 14 percent of her's total tank production to the Soviet Union, even though they outproduced Great Britain threefold in tanks, and this in a period when the British Army had a serious shortage of tanks in North Africa. The vast quantities of American trucks with USA serials provided, were so common in Eastern Europe in 1944/45, that common folk-lore interpreted the stenciled letters as Ubiyat Sukinsyna Adolfa - Kill that Son-of-a-bitch Adolf."

Taken from -- http://www.skalman.nu/soviet/ww2-lendlease.htm

As you can see, it was not only America which gave things to the USSR, other countries did too (CANADA, UK). UK even gave 14% of all its tanks to the USSR, when they themselves were in a bad possition and short on tanks, quite a sacriface.

The truth is not "without the US, Germany would have won." The truth is without all of these countries coming together to fight a common foe, Germany would have won.

I give credit to the US for helping to win the war, I do NOT give credit to the US for winning the war.


"Just remember the debacle at Dieppe. An invasion by Canadians and British, that failed. With the US, they succeed."

Dieppe provided the base from which the D-day plan could be modeled. And without the the lessons learned at Dieppe, the losses to troops on D-day would have been much higher.

[Polaris]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>one of the problem the world has against America is the fact that America is taking ALL the credits for winning the WWII.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

are you saying that people outside of the U.S. think that americans think that they were the reason that ww2 was won ? or are you ssying that americans actually think they were the major reason ww2 was won ?

[Hans]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Polaris:
are you saying that people outside of the U.S. think that americans think that they were the reason that ww2 was won ? or are you ssying that americans actually think they were the major reason ww2 was won ? [/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually it's mostly just the uninformed Trailer park trash (the kind that went out to buy their 3 year old his first .44 last year) that think America is the reason we won the war. The problem is that there is a hell of a lot of them. Most of them dont even know where Germany is and think Canada is "Down by Russia some where". Its not just that people outside of the US think that's how Americans feel, they actually show it on TV, people walk up and ask Americans where is Canada, most dont know and some think its by russia (and that it snows all year round and people drive dog sleds). Its really quite sad just how dumb some of them are.

[Albow0001]

Wow, im really behind the times . . .i know. I dont even have a medal yet . . .
Ok, so dont take this as any sort of full out threat or attempt to start a flame war (you ppl sure do love those . . . lol)
First, i wuz reading about how it's called medal of honor cuz its about an american, canadians dont have the medal of honour (sic)
Well, umm, what about medal of honor underground? hmm? Manon did pretty well in that, i dont think the french have the medal of honor . . . (Croix de la Geurre, rite?)
Second, it shouldnt just be us canadians bitching. Australians and Chinese did a hell of a lot of work in the war. So, honestly, i think we canadians, aussies and chinese should gather up and conquer America. NO WAIT!! I mean, we should make skins and a mod for ourselves to be present in the game, cuz lets face it, 2015 is doing a hell of a lot of work, its time we did some . . .
Third, its honour and valour you swines.

[Cpt.Kickass]

i dont know, i think us could have taken the germans on.

[BallisticWookie]

I have to say that without America's help in the Pacific Islands/New Guinea region, Australia would have been in some mighty large trouble with the Japanese. And although I know it's almost 60 years since these atrocities happened, I will never forgive the Japanese for their starving, torture and beheading of hundreds and thousands of Australian, British and American Soldiers. It should never have happened, and sadly a part of me wants revenge, sorry isnt enough. Sorry for getting off topic.