[Machette]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838343/

The few the proud, the marines. rock: rock:

[Colonel]

The marines will investigate these guys and, if true, prosecute them. Obviously the marines don't tolerate killing innocent people. Unlike the guys they are fighting.

[Nyck]

seriously. You make it like they are just running rampant through town shooting everybody. A squad made a stupid ass mistake, dont try to blame it on an entire section of armed forces.

[Tripper]

Events like this are nails in the coffin of middle-eastern-U.S relations.

[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Tripper

Events like this are nails in the coffin of middle-eastern-U.S relations.

Funny, nobody was concerned about the coffin of middle-eastern-U.S. relations when they flew those planes into the WTC.

[Machette]

Bin laden launched those attacks based on his resentment of u.s policy. In peter bergens brilliant book "The osama bin laden I now" he quotes Osama as saying if he hated the western culture so much he would attacked sweden instead. It wasn't about "hating the our freedom" as bush would put it but rather u.s foreign policy in lebanon, iran, iraq etc etc. I think events like these in iraq just allow a further justification for the iraq insurgency to grab recruits.

[Colonel]

Originally Posted by Machette

Bin laden launched those attacks based on his resentment of u.s policy.

I think those marines launched their attack based on their resentment of the insurgent's policy. So I guess that makes their actions justifiable. Additional insurgent attacks will justify us even further and allow us to recruit more boys from Iowa.

[TGB!]

Oh please - the more you type the sadder I get seeing Martin in your avatar. You want to know who should be really resenting foreign policy blunders of Western AND Eastern states - the poor in the middle east. You want to know who flew those fucking planes - rich Arab punks with nothing better to do than read Marx and radical islamic papers and convince themselves they understand the "struggle" - the same upper-class guilt BULLSHIT.

Sorry, but Bin Laden may be justified in his anger towards the US, but there is NO JUSTIFICATION for killing innocent Americans (and innocent Iraqis, Afghanis, Israelis, Spaniards, Londoners, etc. etc.) as an expression of this frustration. It hilarious your ilk on one hand can dismiss outright the pre-emptive strike against Iraq instead of diplomacy, and on the other say "Yea killing innocents is bad, BUT. . ."

By all means MACHETTE - romanticize Bin Laden and his "war". Too bad you werent born in the 1930's and 40's. The NAZI's could have definitely used a PR man like you.

[Machette]

TGB I'm getting sick of your attempts to label me something I'm not. I was pointing out why Bin Laden did what he did so saying I'm a PR man for him is a lame attempt and a low one at that. And as far as I know Laden never did read or refer to Marx in any of his statements. And that statement makes no sense anyways. Why would Laden fight the Soviet who used marxism in Afghanistan? He fought the soviets because he hated marxism and their ways. I don't know which one of us is ignorant but every time I read your post it really makes me wonder. rolleyes:

I really hate US Foreign policy, can I kill innocents now?

[Tripper]

Originally Posted by Colonel

Funny, nobody was concerned about the coffin of middle-eastern-U.S. relations when they flew those planes into the WTC.

What's funny? Did I say I was concerned? Nope.

If you need people to support the U.S cause, things like this don't help - events like these are so potent in swaying public opinion that it helps the other side greatly. Just like it didn't help those guys that flew the planes into the buildings - They became public enemy number 1 straight after 9/11.

I mean shit does happen in war, etc etc, and something like this WOULD have happened to any other nation in the same situation....but the media has so much control over public opinion, almost more control than politicians themselves, they're the ones who sway events a certain way.

[TGB!]

TGB I'm getting sick of your attempts to label me something I'm not.

Attempts - I think I'm pretty succesful in calling a spade a spade.

[quote:ac728]I was pointing out why Bin Laden did what he did so saying I'm a PR man for him is a lame attempt and a low one at that.[/quote:ac728]

This after you got all butt hurt because noone cause see how mean the US media was for misrepresenting President Ahmejaidianintheanal's comments about Israel - sorry but I think Bush-Critic-By-Way-Of-Middle-East-Fundementalist-Sympathizer is a perfectly apt label for you.

[quote:ac728]And as far as I know Laden never did read or refer to Marx in any of his statements.[/quote:ac728]

Who was talking about Bin Laden. He's one pussy of many. And you think none of them read Marx? I think Marx was full of shit but I still read him. The point - once again - was too subtle I think. The fuckwads who flew the planes werent these oppresed muslims you and the progressive left want to believe they are. Put down your Starbucks Coffe enhanced White Guilt™ and open your damn eyes.

[Simo Häyhä]

Atrocities in a war? What is this world turning into annoy:

[Johnj]

+1 for Ed

[Machette]

Yes +1 for ED he really deserved it for nailing me. I'm actually on my way out to the local Mosque. Just getting the old flying magic carpet ready.

Ah the famous "Mistranslation" thread, which went of the rails. Just because I attempted to clarify 1 quote, one single quote immediately makes me a muslim sympathizer..Brilliant. I guess when Democrats in congress favor tax cuts they are then republicans? Ingenious. Yes ED I am a muslim fundementalist sympathizer after all I suddenly dicthed my atheist stance because Allah had some pretty splendid things to say about life. And just because I said what I said about WHY Laden did what he did means I sympathize his cause? I'm against terrorism that kills innocents and I believe I've said that before on this board. And I said I was also scared of Ahmadinejad because of the whole "12th imam" thing. I believe I brought that up in the mistranslation thread.

And what the fuck does Marx have to do with the Middle East? Seriously, I never have read anything about Marx impacting Muslims. But I guess they dicthed the Koran to read the communist manifesto instead! In all the statements I've seen by Muslims I don't hear anything along the lines of "The working class must find their struggle and defeat the ruling class" its more like "Death to the west!" Marx did have his theories and he is still applicable today. He's been quoted more times in papers and books than your pal Adam Smith. But this really isn't about Marx. It's about my stance on affairs.