[-Waffenampt-]

Okay, I wasn't going to say this, but I think it's about time for me to come out and say it.

Why is their such an amazing problem when someone notices and points out errors or flaws in this game? Why do people look at these posts and just decide they as other game players, they dont want to see errors like this brought to the surface and discussed, evacuated and dealt with? Why is it these little details cause other people who dont have a historically based argument to just therefore attack the people posting the errors?

I have noticed a particular crowd of individuals on this list who respond negatively to our postings. I have just about never seen a argument coming back to me that is based on any historical knowledge. I have mearly heard complaints that no one cares. That it dosent matter. It will not effect gameplay. Gameplay. A Game is a visual, physical and mental experience. So why are the visual details Burgen and I point out just not important enough? You do want it to look right? Sometimes I seriously wonder if all of this crowd I've mentioned really even cares at all, for all they can voice is an excuse or just babble.

If you see a posting the Burgen and I either post or respond to. And You dont agree with it on a historical/realistic basis. Then post an intelligent, well thought and well researched posting. That's all we ask. Please dont waste your own precious time arguing with us with no backing aside from your own personal feelings on what you want or feel this game should be like.

To quote 2015 : "Actually, we like the flaws pointed out, but we just ask that you don't expect all of them to be fixed."

We for the most part POST these on this forum "Board of Developers" because we would like to point it out to the Developers! What a concept. We dont post them just so you can tell us what 2015 will do. That's 2015's job, Not yours, Unless of course you have something constructive, either comments or criticism, to add.

Think about it.

[Polaris]

nice title

[riesep]

I think it's good that you guys point out the imperfect flaws in the game. I usually don't respond to them because I don't know a lot about the guns such as the bullets going downward or anything. Once I see a post like that I usually don't go back and look at it, because it doesn't interest me. But, I would like to have this game more realistic in that point, guns, stukas, etc. Not realistic in actual gameplay. I'm confusing aren't I.

[Polaris]

where's dickonwheels btw ,

anyway , i hope you guys get together and form a squad online , so i'll know how much you guys are just all talk ....jk




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[-Waffenampt-]

That's the Spirit Riesep

[-Waffenampt-]

Dickonwheels is a Highschool friend of mine. He thinks this list can be a great scorce of Entertainment.

Oh Polaris, come to a Re-enacting Event someday, It's the best way to tell who's all talk. Plus, You actually get tired from running around all day (Just like in real life!)

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[Polaris]

yea , maybe someday . i'm too much of an armchair quaterback though and i'm Way past my prime . but i'm starting to work out everyday now so ...

[JezusChr7st]

well, i get the feeling im most of the brunt of this conversationg....

to tell you the truth i usually look at these posts from a developers point of view.... i think and talk outloud... if you complain that the bolt is not the correct size but should be about 1/4 centimetre bigger around.... then i would yell swears for about twenty minutes in my head...... stuff like that just astounds me that anyone would #1 even noticed it, #2 bother to post it knowing its not the most important thing.

yes there are problems, yes they should be brought up

but just save it for the noticable and really urgent ones... or at least the ones that make sense.

blah, dunno what to say, cant really explain it right.

basically its just the same fight over and over...


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[Bürgen]

you have to realize that what is un-noticeable and wouldn't have any effect for you, may have a great effect on someone else. Like Waffenampt, myself, and many many other people. the developers use this forum because they can get suggestions from all people, for all aspects of the game. Why should this game be great for you and not for the people who really care about WWII?

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[-Waffenampt-]

JezusChr7st - When you wonder why I would post about something you wouldnt even notice or care about, I wonder why you sometimes even bother to move you fingers to the keyboard?

Take your skatered thoughts to Ms Word and lay them out. Then Review them so you can tell if you are actually making a point other then just dribble.

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Nice Sig. Bürgen!

[geRV]

Ive pointed out a few animation flaws or hat seem to be flaws in the garand reload animation. Ill reitterate em here. (btw i havn't been bitched at for posting this)

The animation itself to me appears to be extremly fast also the animation is missing the slide being pushed over the bullet chamber.

For a short vid click Below.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gerald.marley/untitled.wmv

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!!WERMACHT!!
When you absoloutely positively have to kill every last ally accept no substitutes.

[JezusChr7st]

well, i dont really put my life into this forum or game, so i dont really care or need to spend the time writing out prefectly drafted presentations for you...

and yes but that brings us to the other major point Burgen... i didnt say enjoyable only for myself did i?
i said remembering time constraints and the fact that they would (im sure) rather get the game out on time with a few mistakes in minor detail... that is why god invented patches, they can always fix it later, or like it was already suggested make a mod using your own wonderful ideas.

and whats makes you think i dont care about wwII?

just because i dont know the exact range of a rifle or barrel length... now im suddenly just "a gamer"?

and btw, this is JUST a game, not a reinactment... so expect some flaws and live with them.

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[Kraut Killer]

Sometimes, the posts that complain aboot realism go to far. Muzzle flash isn't that important. And others just get out of hand, BLOOD. So, people go and bitch about these things because they're so nitpicky it becomes a nuisance. At least that's why I go and put in my fifty bucks.

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME?

[Hans]

Ok, I think you guys (-Waffenampt- and Bürgen) should calm down a bit, YOU asked why some people show "Resistance & Overreaction" to your posts. JezusChr7st was 'kind' enough to answer your question (which he could have just ignored). And now your making fun of him? Come on guys, some people are going to appreciate different levels of realism then you, not everyone is going to notice that the colored line on the back of the stuka is wrong. I think you have to expect that some people 'flat out' don't care about tiny little details, and yes, they're going to tell you. I suggest you just learn to live with it.

How do I feel? I feel if you want to point out little details that most of us wouldn't notice, then power to you! Just don't get upset when others disagree with you.

[-Waffenampt-]

JezusChr7st - Yeah, I would abstain from speaking if I had nothing to say like yourself.

"just because i dont know the exact range of a rifle or barrel length... now im suddenly just "a gamer"? "

If you did care, you wouldnt complain about being told the correct information. You would problably say "Say, I didnt know that, how about that."

I expect flaws, But if I see something wrong that they could fix, I and others tell them about it. So at least they know.

That Is all I have to say to you. And I hope you have a nice day