[ShagNasty]

As a music fan I say bullshit. As a musician I say hell yeah. How can a rock star make money if their cd's go for free.Touring thats about it.

[gtboys34]

[quote="ED!":b185a][quote="Sergeant_Scrotum":b185a]last i heard the ISPs were telling the RIAA to stuff it & they many were refusing to release the info.[/quote:b185a]

Of course theyre going to do this. High Speed Internet is big buiness and ISP's KNOW what people are going to be using this for. No ISP wants to get the image that at the smallest knudge they are going to toss over your info to the authorities. Of course with the offenders that you just cannot turn the other cheek on, youre fucked, and no way your ISP is gonna go to bat for u. But the MAJORITY of users and downloaders arent career criminals and are just looking for those songs they cant find anywhere else.

We'll see real fireworks when the RIAA starts demanding IP's from ISP's.

And to GTBOY - lemme put it in terms you can understnad. Say someone stole your RAZOR - yanno those gay ass scooters. And say you reported it. Then the cops come to your house and tell you - we KNOW who stole your faggoty scooter, but we're not going to give you that information to protect the thiefs identity.

I bet youd be pissed then.[/quote:b185a] I wouldnt give a crap about a friggin scooter or any other childish toys special ed, Why would I? Another thing, are you, ED, implying that the way i act on this website is childish, idiotic, and or stupid?

[quote="ED!":237fb]

Originally Posted by gtboys34

man i wish someone would file a friggin lawsuit against me. I'd set fire to every isp company around town for giving the Riaa illegal info on mah.

Excuse me but information about your IP and your ILLEGAL activities is NOT covered under any kind of united states act, sorry to burst your little bubble. If you download a song, youre stealing, and the correct owner has the RIGHT to pursue legal action. Bottom line.[/quote:237fb]

EXCUSE ME, but with the amount of hacking and viruses, ISPs providing infoto RIAA on people who download music is like a cop chasing a shoplifter who stole $30 of merchandise when someone is getting raped just 50 yards away from that cop.

As long as I pay for internet the ISP is on MY PAYROLL, NOT RIAAs!
Therefore doing what I WANT THEM TO (stopping hackers and viruses) is more important than what RIAA tell them to do (waste time attempting to stop pirates)

[1080jibber]

its all about greed, from the riaa to the musicians


and if you want to bring up the whole "its stealing" thing then why am i being "robbed" of $20 dollars every time i buy a cd, and i have been paying that price for as long as i can remember

the riaa is trying everything to get money from anyone, from putting on a "tax" im going to say tax because it is, on mini disks, mp3 players, cd-r's, and they are even trying to get the isp to charge extra so a little goes to them, because since you payed for one of those things any of them could be used with mp3's that could have been downloaded or "stolen"

[Proteus]

Well all these fucking dumb shits that cant even think to take all the shit out of the shared folder and into a different folder. If they did that, then nobody could track them.

[Machette]

Originally Posted by Proteus

Well all these fucking dumb shits that cant even think to take all the shit out of the shared folder and into a different folder. If they did that, then nobody could track them.

then no one would be able to download shit

[Proteus]

hmmm, good point.

[ED!]

How are you being robbed? Is someone putting a gun to your head and saying "Jibber buy this Justin Timberlake album or I'll fucking kill you". YOU make a decision to buy the product. If you dont like the price, dont buy it. However if you CHOOSE to steal the music, be prepared to face the consequences. Noone is saying that the current business model and delivery system the RIAA operates under is without fault, but there needs to be some level of responsibility on your part for what you are doing. Theres nothing NOBLE here, or rightoues. Youre stealing music.

[quote:c611a]EXCUSE ME, but with the amount of hacking and viruses, ISPs providing infoto RIAA on people who download music is like a cop chasing a shoplifter who stole $30 of merchandise when someone is getting raped just 50 yards away from that cop.[/quote:c611a]

What a horribly cliched response. So because theres murder happening you have a right to steal, since cops should be busting OTHER peopels chops. Yea ok. Also, your ISP has ITS best interests in mind. If you dont like the prospect that YES they have the right to turn over your information to federal or local authorities, then get off the internet. Stop trying to make excuses for what it is youre doing. You have no leg to stand on in this situation. If the copyright owner of that music took you to court - YOU WOULD LOSE. There is no other side of the coin here buddy. You broke the law, and they have the right to bankrupt you.

And GT - way to dodge the fucking question. Whatre you 13?

One more thing - Record Companies are the ones who benefit from CD sales the most. Truly an artist hopes a cd does well so he can cover the costs of making the album and pay back whatever the record company loaned him, but the artist will not make that money from the record - usually. Most artist nowadays make the money from touring, advertising, and etc. In fact there are artists who rely SOLEY on touring to turn a profit. Take a look at Moby, the NEPTUNES, etc. to see how they can sell a million or less albums and still pull in big bucks (Moby-whoring out to consumer america, Neptures-producing fees - they made about 50million or so last year).

I don't download music, assclown, I never said I did.

so what are you saying?
instead of busting hackers who could cause me harm ISPs should bust downloaders who don't do shit to me but harm teh recording industry?
Like I said, who pays the ISP's bills: me, or RIAA?

BTW, what's more important to mankind:

40GB of cancer research data destroyed by a hacker who could have had the plug pulled on him long ago,
or a couple paltry million that RIAA lost to downloads?

ISPs only have so many resources they can contribute to the war on cyber-terrorism (hacking and virusing to you civvies), yet RIAA demands that they take these precious resources away to fight a much less heinous crime.

[newt.]

I'm downloading 20 songs right now.

whats a isp?

[ED!]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":782c7]I don't download music, assclown, I never said I did.

so what are you saying?
instead of busting hackers who could cause me harm ISPs should bust downloaders who don't do shit to me but harm teh recording industry?
Like I said, who pays the ISP's bills: me, or RIAA?

BTW, what's more important to mankind:

40GB of cancer research data destroyed by a hacker who could have had the plug pulled on him long ago,
or a couple paltry million that RIAA lost to downloads?

ISPs only have so many resources they can contribute to the war on cyber-terrorism (hacking and virusing to you civvies), yet RIAA demands that they take these precious resources away to fight a much less heinous crime.[/quote:782c7]

Again using circular arguments to justify your point. A matter of priorities is BEYOND the point. You are breaking the law. You are breaking a law that potentially takes money out of the hands of others. The RIAA could care less about Cancer Research since they - wait for it - arent doctors studying cancer research. If the FBI wants the name of some hacker who hacked some bullshit, then theyll go after them too. And, ahem - yanno theres more than ONE division of the FBI dedicated to cyber-crime. See they have it set up that way to make sure lil bastards like yourself who want to pull the "but mommy he's doing it", or "omg h4x0rz there r worc ppl than me!" arguments have no leg to stand on. The FBI and relevant industries will go after the offenders that are affecting THEIR livelyhood.

[quote="ED!":678a9][quote="Sgt Stryker":678a9]I don't download music, assclown, I never said I did.

so what are you saying?
instead of busting hackers who could cause me harm ISPs should bust downloaders who don't do shit to me but harm teh recording industry?
Like I said, who pays the ISP's bills: me, or RIAA?

BTW, what's more important to mankind:

40GB of cancer research data destroyed by a hacker who could have had the plug pulled on him long ago,
or a couple paltry million that RIAA lost to downloads?

ISPs only have so many resources they can contribute to the war on cyber-terrorism (hacking and virusing to you civvies), yet RIAA demands that they take these precious resources away to fight a much less heinous crime.[/quote:678a9]

Again using circular arguments to justify your point. A matter of priorities is BEYOND the point. You are breaking the law. You are breaking a law that potentially takes money out of the hands of others. The RIAA could care less about Cancer Research since they - wait for it - arent doctors studying cancer research. If the FBI wants the name of some hacker who hacked some bullshit, then theyll go after them too. And, ahem - yanno theres more than ONE division of the FBI dedicated to cyber-crime. See they have it set up that way to make sure lil bastards like yourself who want to pull the "but mommy he's doing it", or "omg h4x0rz there r worc ppl than me!" arguments have no leg to stand on. The FBI and relevant industries will go after the offenders that are affecting THEIR livelyhood.[/quote:678a9]

your continual assumptions that I download music and am a child only prove that you are

a. dyslexic
b. retarded
c. can't read
d. just some dumb faggot who likes to get on everyone else's nerves

did you understand anything I said you fucking moron!
ISP only have so many resources they can use, you are saying that they should give into the demands or RIAA when they don't even have hackers under control?

[rudedog]

ED is 100% correct, "we" are stealing music. Yes, I download a song or two just like the rest of you and to tell you the truth, it's stealing.

I don't agree with it but that's the way it is. If you don't like it. Send your congressmen a letter stating your opinions towards these laws. If he does no represent your options. Then vote him out. Until you can change the law(s), it's stealing.

And please do not make personal attracts towards each other. I know you guys can debate both sides of this rationally. This is what makes for good conversation in this forum.

Originally Posted by rudedog

ED is 100% correct, "we" are stealing music. Yes, I download a song or two just like the rest of you and to tell you the truth, it's stealing.

I don't agree with it but that's the way it is. If you don't like it. Send your congressmen a letter stating your opinions towards these laws. If he does no represent your options. Then vote him out. Until you can change the law(s), it's stealing.

And please do not make personal attracts towards each other. I know you guys can debate both sides of this rationally. This is what makes for good conversation in this forum.

well, I don't steal music, in fact I would never use one of those damn filesharing things, too much risk of fucking up your computer.
As someone who does not download music I would appreciate it if my ISP would deal with my needs (helping stop hackers so my computer is kept safe) BEFORE the go catering to RIAA (who happen to not pay my ISP's bills, I do along with thousands of other "average joes")