[AADiC_]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":77755]

Originally Posted by rudedog

ED is 100% correct, "we" are stealing music. Yes, I download a song or two just like the rest of you and to tell you the truth, it's stealing.

I don't agree with it but that's the way it is. If you don't like it. Send your congressmen a letter stating your opinions towards these laws. If he does no represent your options. Then vote him out. Until you can change the law(s), it's stealing.

And please do not make personal attracts towards each other. I know you guys can debate both sides of this rationally. This is what makes for good conversation in this forum.

well, I don't steal music, in fact I would never use one of those damn filesharing things, too much risk of fucking up your computer.
As someone who does not download music I would appreciate it if my ISP would deal with my needs (helping stop hackers so my computer is kept safe) BEFORE the go catering to RIAA (who happen to not pay my ISP's bills, I do along with thousands of other "average joes")[/quote:77755]

I think there is some responsibility on your end to keep your system/network safe also. I agree that the ISP needs to do their best, but the end user must be a participant in that process also.

[ED!]

Doesnt say much for you Stryker if you're arguing with a dyslexic on the internet, much less being unable to string together any kind of coherent argument for yourself. Methinks you should stick with what you know, BED WETTING, and leave the logic to the adults.

Did I say you dl music - no, and I could care less if you did. YOU said -

"Omfg!111 M16: I pay my Dsl bill they shouldnt be worrying about ppl dling music they should make sure my interweb is always wrking" -

To which I said - your ISP can do WHAT EVER THE HELL IT WANTS. It does not cater to YOU. Read that again. Your ISP could give a fuck what YOU as an individual wants. If you leave your ISP because someone else is being targeted for dling music, then you're as silly and foolish as your arguments are. But rest assured your ISP wont miss you. Lets see - your ISP has the option of A.) Pandering to some spoiled brat who wants an extra Kb to access streaming porn with, or B.) co-operating with the RIAA who have several politicians and lobbyist working for them, and assuring that they are in business 1 year down the line. Golly wilbur I wonder who the RIAA is going to take care of first. oOo:

Seriously, its the spoiled petulant nature of folks like you that bring folks like the RIAA down over all our heads.

[quote="ED!":807e2]Doesnt say much for you Stryker if you're arguing with a dyslexic on the internet, much less being unable to string together any kind of coherent argument for yourself. Methinks you should stick with what you know, BED WETTING, and leave the logic to the adults.

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shouldn't that be directed at you?

[quote:807e2]Did I say you dl music - no, and I could care less if you did[/quote:807e2]

you said "You are breaking the law. You are breaking a law that potentially takes money out of the hands of others."
the prosecution rests

[quote:807e2]YOU said -

"Omfg!111 I pay my Dsl bill they shouldnt be worrying about ppl dling music they should make sure my interweb is always wrking" - [/quote:807e2]

did I really?
either you can't read correctly or you are Joe Scarborough (make up lies about others)

[quote:807e2]your ISP can do WHAT EVER THE HELL IT WANTS[/quote:807e2]

therefore it is not required to give RIAA jack shit

[quote:807e2]It does not cater to YOU. Read that again. Your ISP could give a fuck what YOU as an individual wants[/quote:807e2]

you think I am the only one concerned about hackers and viruses?
what rock have you been hiding under?
ever hear of the blaster worm?
it shut down the entire Cox High Speed Internet network in Kansas and Oklahoma. Also numerous businesses in the US and throughout the world were hurt my blaster. One worm wasted more money in one week (repairs, down time, etc) than RIAA loses to downloads in a year.
and ignoring the customers is the best way for a business to fail in American capitalism.

[quote:807e2] Pandering to some spoiled brat who wants an extra Kb to access streaming porn with,[/quote:807e2]

I am neither a spoiled brat nor do I download porn, again stop acting like that moron Scarborough. (or O'Reilley)

Like I said before, blaster was hardly an "inconvenience" it caused massive damage in business, education, and home use of computers.

[quote:807e2] and assuring that they are in business 1 year down the line.[/quote:807e2]

last I checked this is not the USSR and the government can't shut down a free enterprise for taking care of more important matters first.

[quote:807e2]Seriously, its the spoiled petulant nature of folks like you that bring folks like the RIAA down over all our heads.[/quote:807e2]

oh yeah, I caused RIAA to go after all you assclowns because I say fighting hackers is a greater priority. methinks you should leave the logic to the adults.


Furthermore, if you read more carefully I never said that pirates should have immunity because there are hackers out there, I said that ISPs should combat the GREATER THREAT FIRST, which happen to be hackers and viruses. I'll explain it in terms you can understand:
a policeman is driving along and sees two events, and armed robbery and a fender-bender, for some reason no reinforcements are avaliable. Is he going to take care of both events? yes. Is he going to stop the armed robber first or make the drivers in the fender-bender exchange insurance info?
The intelligent posters should fihure out which problem is more important.

[ED!]

Stryker - listen kid, you have no agrument - youre argument comes down to "omg hax they should look at me and let someone else handle other things" - what do you think the fucking FBI has ONE person handling hackers - what in gods name do you think the CyberCrime division consists of. ALSO - LOCAL law enforcement would only enforce laws, or serve subpeanes etc - they are not going to go chasing after little hackers on skateboards despite what you've seen on television. What it all boils down to kid - is the fact that you have very little knowledge of what you are talking about. And that my friend is pretty damn sad. If you dont dl music, and if hackers are being prosecuted (the found an architect of the Blaster worm fyi), and you're able to hop on line and play Counter Strike with all your cool buddies - wheres it hurting u cowboy. Like I said, if you honestly think your ISP is going to say NO to the RIAA, and even the FBI you've got about as much brains in your head as a bum as clean spots in his ass.

[ShagNasty]

I have not seen a good fight like this in a while. both of you make good points though. so back before the internet the record company cryed about. people recording on casetts. granted the internet makes it much bigger. I will buy a cd I want because a cd sounds better than a mp3. I will down load a song from some one hit wonder, or band that only has one song I want and dont want to waste 18$ on.

On a side note my friend likes to down load movies and his isp cut him off because WB called his isp and complained. he got it back on the next day though. because he called and said he can do what ever he wants with his shit. and WB can f them selves.

but yeah its stealing just like recording it on a tape in the 80s was.

[newt.]

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[ED!]

The thing about cassettes is that the RIAA realized that they cant track things like recordning music off the radio, or making tapes for your friends. With the internet - there is a tracking method. And theres no way the RIAA is backing down now, because now they can find out who you are.

This I believe id the definitive difference. Control.

And stryer isnt even arguing the merits or not of downloading music. Simply what his ISP should be doing. As if catering to a teen is better than keeping your ability to provide a service.

[gtboys34]

crap man, i wanna be in this debate too. Someone throw me a friggin bone already

[AADiC_]

Stryker, do I understand you correctly that you are saying that it is the ISP's job to protect your computer from Viruses and hackers and theirs alone?

[quote="ED!":9584a]Stryker - listen kid, you have no agrument - youre argument comes down to "omg hax they should look at me and let someone else handle other things" - what do you think the fucking FBI has ONE person handling hackers - what in gods name do you think the CyberCrime division consists of. ALSO - LOCAL law enforcement would only enforce laws, or serve subpeanes etc - they are not going to go chasing after little hackers on skateboards despite what you've seen on television. What it all boils down to kid - is the fact that you have very little knowledge of what you are talking about. And that my friend is pretty damn sad. If you dont dl music, and if hackers are being prosecuted (the found an architect of the Blaster worm fyi), and you're able to hop on line and play Counter Strike with all your cool buddies - wheres it hurting u cowboy. Like I said, if you honestly think your ISP is going to say NO to the RIAA, and even the FBI you've got about as much brains in your head as a bum as clean spots in his ass.[/quote:9584a]


you must have taken bullshit 101 from the GOP

you don't listen to anything the opposition says and throw insults with a few "facts" thrown in for the fun of it. Sorry, A for effort, F- for argumentation skills

[Short Hand]

Originally Posted by Zoner91

Never been more proud to be a Canadian.

/me high fives Buckweed.

Being Canadian does have its perks ehhh ??

[ED!]

Whats your argument then? That your ISP should be doing what, breaking down the doors of hackers? I mean youre saying alot of nothing. So whats your - i mean position whatever the hell it is what is it. All we've heard is - its not my ISP's job to give up folks who are breaking the law.

[quote="AADiC_":20187]Stryker, do I understand you correctly that you are saying that it is the ISP's job to protect your computer from Viruses and hackers and theirs alone?[/quote:20187]

no it is not, but the fact is that during the blaster worm mess, my computer never got blaster as I put in the correct patches on day one. The cox network however crashed like a Messerschmidt after fighting a Yak-3.

What I am saying is that there are more important things ISPs should use their resources for, like working with the FBI to catch hackers.

[quote="ED!":a84ee]Whats your argument then? That your ISP should be doing what, breaking down the doors of hackers? I mean youre saying alot of nothing. So whats your - i mean position whatever the hell it is what is it. All we've heard is - its not my ISP's job to give up folks who are breaking the law.[/quote:a84ee]

no you idiot, ISPs should be focusing their resources on working with the FBI to stop cyber-terrorism, they can't do that with RIAA taking their manpower away to chase down pirates.

[ED!]

[quote="Sgt Stryker":f6089][quote="ED!":f6089]Whats your argument then? That your ISP should be doing what, breaking down the doors of hackers? I mean youre saying alot of nothing. So whats your - i mean position whatever the hell it is what is it. All we've heard is - its not my ISP's job to give up folks who are breaking the law.[/quote:f6089]

no you idiot, ISPs should be focusing their resources on working with the FBI to stop cyber-terrorism, they can't do that with RIAA taking their manpower away to chase down pirates.[/quote:f6089]

Manpower - MANPOWER! Do you know how many agents the FBI, and local authorities have working on this? Do you know how many people your ISP has working to make sure the privacy of their users are being violated? No you actually do not - so saying adamantly the manpower is being "waste" as about as idiotic a statement as you seem to think I'm being.

And sorry, I dont care if you think piracy is a NON-issue, it affects people and they could honestly not care if you get a lag in your uptime. Their livelehoods ARE being affected, and I'm not talking about the artists. To them - THIS SHOULD BE your isps main concern - ferrreting out people who are breaking the law and taking food off their tables. Maybe you can grow the hell up and actually look at both sides of the issue before dismissing things outright as if you have any real expertise on the matter. Until you show me a Degree in Logistics I'll call your "strategies" and "recommendations" bullshit.