NEWS: 2 Canadian troops dead, 3 injured in Kabul

redhawk_six · **NEWS: 2 Canadian troops dead, 3 injured in Kabul -** 10-02-2003, 03:05 PM

Damn... RIP cry:

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/10/02/landmine031002

[quote:55e42]KABUL, AFGHANISTAN - Two Canadian soldiers were killed and three others injured in what appeared to be a landmine blast Thursday. They were on a routine patrol of Afghanistan's capital city.

Sgt. Robert Allan Short, 42, and Cpl. Robbie Christopher Beerenfenger, 29, died in the blast. Master Cpl. Jason Cory Hamilton, Cpl. Thomas Stirling and Cpl. Cameron Lee Laidlaw were hurt.

All five men are members of the Royal Canadian Regiment, 3rd battalion, based in Petawawa, Ont.

The road had been "cleared" by military engineers 24 hours earlier, according to the chief of defence staff, Gen. Ray Henault. Investigators are not sure if a new landmine was laid or if one had been missed by earlier teams.

There's no evidence it was a rocket blast, officials said, but they haven't ruled out anything. The explosive device appeared to have been detonated when the jeep drove over it, they told reporters at a news conference in Ottawa Thursday afternoon.

The two jeeps had extra armour beneath them, said Maj.-Gen. Andrew Leslie, the commander of Canadian forces in Afghanistan. The soldiers were all wearing special protective gear. The explosion was so large, the right side of the first jeep was ripped away.

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For the full story, see the link above.

Zoner · 10-02-2003, 03:09 PM

R.I.P., indeed.

God love ya, boys.

ninty · 10-02-2003, 04:28 PM

Too bad it wasn't a LAV III that hit the mine because it might have stood a chance. The ILTIS doesn't stand a chance against mines.

These are my brothers in arms. May they rest in peace.

Short Hand · 10-02-2003, 05:54 PM

proves how ill prepared our Canadian forces are in Afganistan. ore military spending is needed.

ninty · 10-02-2003, 06:37 PM

[quote="Short Hand":62955]proves how ill prepared our Canadian forces are in Afghanistan. ore military spending is needed.[/quote:62955]

You have no idea what you are talking about and you've insulted me. I am a member of the Canadian Forces. We are amongst the best trained soldiers in the world. The guys who got killed today were paratroopers. No amount of military spending can stop soldiers from being killed in a WAR. American soldiers are dying almost every day in Iraq and the US has the highest defence budget in the world. Even in Afghanistan the Brits, Germans, Americans etc. lost a lot of good soldiers. It has nothing to o with military spending. It has everything to do with going into one of the most hostile places on earth, and not to mention the most heavily country on earth. There are an estimated 9 - 11 million land mines in Afghanistan.

What we've heard is that the explosion was large. It might have been a tank mine. Who knows? If that’s the case, armoured vehicles aren't going to protect you. Shit happens. The Canadian Forces in the region are NOT ill prepared. Those guys went through months of training prior to shipping out. We've go unmanned aerial reconnaissance planes, grizzly armoured vehicle and coyote reconnaissance vehicle not to mention the LAV III's with their 25mm gun that will rip anything to shreds.

The government is sustaining 1,900 troops in Afghanistan right now. That is the largest contribution by ANY country right now in Afghanistan. We just took over as the head of ISAF and now Canada is in charge of 5,000 troops.

The ILTIS is a shitty vehicle. If you've ever had to ride in one, you'll say this without a doubt. They were made in 84-86 and we have 2,500 of them. They are at the end of their life cycle as they are to be replaced Jan 2004. Even though their pieces of shit, new vehicles would make a difference. Funding doesn't make a difference in a situation like this. The CF needs more money. That is very true. But we NEVER send troops when they are under prepared or under equipped.

Short Hand · 10-02-2003, 06:47 PM

[quote=ninty9]

Quote:

Originally Posted by "Short Hand":6dc45

proves how ill prepared our Canadian forces are in Afghanistan. More military spending is needed.

You have no idea what you are talking about and you've insulted me. I am a member of the Canadian Forces. We are amongst the best trained soldiers in the world. The guys who got killed today were paratroopers. No amount of military spending can stop soldiers from being killed in a WAR. American soldiers are dying almost every day in Iraq and the US has the highest defence budget in the world. Even in Afghanistan the Brits, Germans, Americans etc. lost a lot of good soldiers. It has nothing to o with military spending. It has everything to do with going into one of the most hostile places on earth, and not to mention the most heavily country on earth. There are an estimated 9 - 11 million land mines in Afghanistan.

What we've heard is that the explosion was large. It might have been a tank mine. Who knows? If that’s the case, armoured vehicles aren't going to protect you. Shit happens. The Canadian Forces in the region are NOT ill prepared. Those guys went through months of training prior to shipping out. We've go unmanned aerial reconnaissance planes, grizzly armoured vehicle and coyote reconnaissance vehicle not to mention the LAV III's with their 25mm gun that will rip anything to shreds.

The government is sustaining 1,900 troops in Afghanistan right now. That is the largest contribution by ANY country right now in Afghanistan. We just took over as the head of ISAF and now Canada is in charge of 5,000 troops.

The ILTIS is a shitty vehicle. If you've ever had to ride in one, you'll say this without a doubt. They were made in 84-86 and we have 2,500 of them. They are at the end of their life cycle as they are to be replaced Jan 2004. Even though their pieces of shit, new vehicles would make a difference. Funding doesn't make a difference in a situation like this. The CF needs more money. That is very true. But we NEVER send troops when they are under prepared or under equipped.[/quote:6dc45]

You are taking this as if I am insulting the military. You better sit the fuck down and just shut the F&*^ up. I never insulted the fucking Canadain military I only supported extra funds into it. I thought you would be happy about sonmething like that ?

As for being ill prepared Yes I do beleive this is a fact.. Who nows maybe if they did have a better personel vehicle they would still be alive.

-please what type of camo were our troops sent in with when we first arrived in Afghanistan. ?

take a chill pill.

JC-Sharp · 10-02-2003, 06:47 PM

[quote="Short Hand":493ab]proves how ill prepared our Canadian forces are in Afganistan. ore military spending is needed.[/quote:493ab]

dude, the fucking yankee troops die EVERY day in iraq.. Hell you lost a whole ton of them to friendly fire too! And you say WE arent prepared? I can honestly say that there has been less than 20 canadian deaths in afganistan since 9/11/01...And the first canadians who died were by the hands of an AMERICAN.

Short Hand · 10-02-2003, 06:50 PM

[quote="JC-Sharp":8e4a6][quote="Short Hand":8e4a6]proves how ill prepared our Canadian forces are in Afganistan. ore military spending is needed.[/quote:8e4a6]

dude, your fucking yankee troops die EVERY day in iraq.. Hell you lost a whole ton of them to friendly fire too! And you say WE arent prepared? I can honestly say that there has been less than 20 canadian deaths in afganistan since 9/11/01...And the first canadians who died were by the hands of an AMERICAN.[/quote:8e4a6]

What are you retarded. Look at where im from dumb shit. Canada.. It says right in my F*&**(() profile. You win the F-ing Moron award.

ninty · 10-02-2003, 07:49 PM

[quote:083cd]You are taking this as if I am insulting the military. You better sit the fuck down and just shut the F&*^ up. I never insulted the fucking Canadain military I only supported extra funds into it. I thought you would be happy about sonmething like that ?

As for being ill prepared Yes I do beleive this is a fact.. Who nows maybe if they did have a better personel vehicle they would still be alive.

-please what type of camo were our troops sent in with when we first arrived in Afghanistan. ?

take a chill pill.[/quote:083cd]

You are insulting the CF because you said we are ill prepared, you didn't say ill equipped. I know for a fact that the troops in Afghanistan are in no way ill prepared. A lot of those guys have been to Bosnia and Cyprus, they know what their doing.

The fact of the matter is that the ILTIS is the perfect vehicle for Kabul's roads. The streets are narrow and armoured vehicles can't go a lot of places the ILTIS can. Even the Americans don't drive armoured vehicles everywhere. Humvee's aren't armour plated and that explosion would have killed everyone inside of it, if we used them instead of the ILTIS. It wouldn't have made a difference.

Canadian troops had CADPAT TW (Temperate Woodland) pattern when first deployed in 2002. Believe it or not, this works better in afghanistan than the CADPAT AR. There are a lot of shrubs and greens in Afghanistan making it perfect for TW CADPAT. Not to mention most of our work is done at night and since CADPAT has infrared protection designed to conceal soldiers from image intensification devices like night vision, it was not a big deal. You also have to realise that CADPAT is a very new technology. At the time, the factories could not produce enough AR CADPAT for all the soldiers because it must be done by one certified factory. It wasn't that there was a lack of funds, but the technology was too new. And thats beside the fact because TW CADPAT works fine in Afghanistan.

Now all soldiers are fitted with both the TW and AR CADPAT. And you know what? Most of our guys are still using the TW CADPAT design because it conceals them better with the Afghanistan surroundings.

JC-Sharp, there have now been 6 Canadian deaths in Afghanistan.

newt. · 10-02-2003, 08:20 PM

does anyone read the post in here?

Vance · 10-02-2003, 08:20 PM

[quote="JC-Sharp":14e8c][quote="Short Hand":14e8c]proves how ill prepared our Canadian forces are in Afganistan. ore military spending is needed.[/quote:14e8c]

dude, the fucking yankee troops die EVERY day in iraq.. Hell you lost a whole ton of them to friendly fire too! And you say WE arent prepared? I can honestly say that there has been less than 20 canadian deaths in afganistan since 9/11/01...And the first canadians who died were by the hands of an AMERICAN.[/quote:14e8c]
Now who's the retard. EVERYDAY huh? Give me a break. Attacks have died down profusely since last month. Stop talking out of your ass. And about FF, we had very low FF during the war, I beileve. Just goes to show what ignoarance can do, eh?

Short Hand · 10-02-2003, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty9

[quote:1918a]You are taking this as if I am insulting the military. You better sit the fuck down and just shut the F&*^ up. I never insulted the fucking Canadain military I only supported extra funds into it. I thought you would be happy about sonmething like that ?

As for being ill prepared Yes I do beleive this is a fact.. Who nows maybe if they did have a better personel vehicle they would still be alive.

-please what type of camo were our troops sent in with when we first arrived in Afghanistan. ?

take a chill pill.

You are insulting the CF because you said we are ill prepared, you didn't say ill equipped. I know for a fact that the troops in Afghanistan are in no way ill prepared. A lot of those guys have been to Bosnia and Cyprus, they know what their doing.

The fact of the matter is that the ILTIS is the perfect vehicle for Kabul's roads. The streets are narrow and armoured vehicles can't go a lot of places the ILTIS can. Even the Americans don't drive armoured vehicles everywhere. Humvee's aren't armour plated and that explosion would have killed everyone inside of it, if we used them instead of the ILTIS. It wouldn't have made a difference.

Canadian troops had CADPAT TW (Temperate Woodland) pattern when first deployed in 2002. Believe it or not, this works better in afghanistan than the CADPAT AR. There are a lot of shrubs and greens in Afghanistan making it perfect for TW CADPAT. Not to mention most of our work is done at night and since CADPAT has infrared protection designed to conceal soldiers from image intensification devices like night vision, it was not a big deal. You also have to realise that CADPAT is a very new technology. At the time, the factories could not produce enough AR CADPAT for all the soldiers because it must be done by one certified factory. It wasn't that there was a lack of funds, but the technology was too new. And thats beside the fact because TW CADPAT works fine in Afghanistan.

Now all soldiers are fitted with both the TW and AR CADPAT. And you know what? Most of our guys are still using the TW CADPAT design because it conceals them better with the Afghanistan surroundings.

JC-Sharp, there have now been 6 Canadian deaths in Afghanistan.[/quote:1918a]

If you took "ill prepared" as an insult....... then that is your own problem. It was not an insult to the individual soldier aka "you" it is more taken to the actual leading people /Government for not giving the soldier on the ground what we the people beleive you should have. Maybe I should have been more specific since I was quite broad in that reply. But then again you should have asked what and who do you mean by ill prepared before you went off like a f***ing fire cracker.

ninty · 10-02-2003, 09:13 PM

You didn't insult me, you insulted the entire Canadian Forces, especially those serving overseas protecting YOU from terrorists and trying to make the world a better place.

Short Hand · 10-02-2003, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty9

You didn't insult me, you insulted the entire Canadian Forces, especially those serving overseas protecting YOU from terrorists and trying to make the world a better place.

I didn't insult the entire Canadian forces. Maybe if you took the time to understand me prvious post. Then again when your down play dirty. That was just a low blow.

Chango · 10-02-2003, 09:32 PM

Will you both just shut the hell up? Christ short hand made a simple comment and Ninty you act as if he said "Canada's military sucks." And short hand it really wasn't at all necessary to flame ninty back and continue to do so after each of his posts.